#69 - Your Past Doesn't Define You | Daria Kral
Each one of us makes mistakes and bad choices. We are, after all, human and we tend to do things without even thinking twice if it is right or wrong, but this doesn’t necessarily mean that we are inherently bad people.
At some point in our life, we decide to take a step back and question everything in our faith. After deep contemplation, we will be filled with that feeling of something missing in our lives. We feel guilt, regret, and shame and these deeply affect us.
In this episode, Carina talks with Daria Kral about what it's like growing up in a faith community, leaving, and then coming back again. They also shared their viewpoints on sexuality and marriage, how to take ownership of your faith, how to build a strong foundation for a relationship, process and progress, and the struggles of a woman with form restoration.
Both of these amazing women will be sharing their thoughts and experiences on how they overcame their struggle with porn and masturbation and teach us that our past doesn’t define who we are. No matter if it's a smooth or hard process, remember that every step counts, and each one of us has to go through our process. So if you can relate to today’s episode, High Noon has programs and support groups to guide you through your restoration journey.
It doesn't matter what kind of things you've gone through in your life, there's always a way back.
No matter what your story is, you deserve to and can be blessed to have a family and to have a great relationship.
For a woman, it's really helpful to steam out in a talkative way, to talk about it, and to let it out.
Episode Transcript:
Andrew Love
Welcome back to Love, Life and Legacy, a podcast dedicated to helping you navigate these hypersexualized times, win at life, win at love and ideally make a lot of babies. This is the only podcast that's been around for over 600 years. Facts may vary depending on your sources. In today's episode, we have Daria Kral being interviewed by Carina, our very own Carina who is now a monthly contributor to the podcast. These two women get into what it's like growing up in a faith community and leaving it and coming back and what that means about their viewpoints on sexuality and marriage. They're both married. They're both in love. They're both amazing. Please enjoy Daria Kral and Carina, everybody.
Carina
Hello, everyone! Here is Carina Cunningham. Still haven't changed my last name and I have a really incredible guest, Daria Kral. She's from Austria, but she lives in Germany right now with her husband. Actually, we're having this conversation because I want to know her more and we are going to just talk as friends, know each other more and I hope you can enjoy our conversation as well. So hello, Daria!
Daria Kral
Hi, Carina! How are you?
Carina
I'm good. I'm here in Uruguay. It's sunny but the winter is coming. What about there?
Daria Kral
Really? Spring here is just arriving. The weather is beautiful. It's getting hotter like life is coming again. So it's beautiful.
Carina
So nice. How is the lockdown there? Uh-oh, tough question?
Daria Kral
We can meet now, two families or two households can meet each other but not more than five people. And I don't know, the cases are going higher again.
Carina
Yes, here as well, it's the same. We are all here, in the same situation all around the world no matter where. But since we have this connection, the internet, we can see each other.
Daria Kral
That's true.
Carina
Daria, tell me about yourself. What are you doing? How old are you? What is your little bit of background?
Daria Kral
Hi, I'm Daria. I am 28. I got blessed in October last year. I came to know my husband exactly one year ago. Everything was really fast. And we are really happy with each other. It just couldn't be better. I'm originally Austrian, both my parents. I'm also an offering child, also both Austrians. I grew up most of my life in Austria. My parents were missionaries in Poland for mission benefit. And I was 13. My younger sister, she is two years younger than me. Then, we moved to Poland. I stayed there for three years. Three years, 16, then I was in Germany. And then, I moved back to my parents, then I moved to Austria. I was going to school, agriculture, business and horse riding, also Equestrian, I think, it's called in English I had a lot of different kinds of jobs. Actually, I grew up outside the church. I didn't actually know until I was 16 and a half, 17, that I didn't know that actually I was a Christian. So I came to know them. It was a rocky path. But with 22, I realized this is not the life I want to have. And then here, your parents have listened and tamped a few times out of workshops. But it was, I never had a clear path. And this time, a few things happened, and I was okay, that's enough. This is not the life I really want. Then I was a participant and involved with STF for three years. Had a break in between and was again with STF for a whole year.
Carina
I see. Why was there a case that you didn't know about the church and the faith before that?
Daria Kral
I asked my parents if they really burned out from the mission. I realized later on, because there was a huge wave actually from Austrian or a huge wave of people that left during this time or a kind of were disconnected from the community because there were also who were officially not part of the church anymore because of the mission. It was challenging for them. And they still kept True Parents in their heart because we have a few pictures somewhere from them, but we weren't raised in this belief. And I'm actually proud that later I decided for myself, I want to be part of this community.
Carina
Wow. I feel like I do relate. Although my parents were very strongly about the faith and my identity and purity and all that. At some point in my life, I decided to take a step back and questioned everything of my faith and kind of left the church for half a year basically. And although we're sure I try to leave as much as I can, the experiences of being a person who doesn't have this principle. A person who is just free to do whatever they want. I can relate with that, because as well, I felt so lonely at some point or there's something missing. And then I have an experience with God as well. I felt I chose this path, because I definitely was out of it. And there's a kind of beauty of that, because you take ownership of your faith, and it is now about your relationship with God and not just what is mandatory. For example, one thing in my family, we never leave Hoon Dok Hae as a family and that didn't stop me to do Hoon Dok Hae whenever I felt it was the right time. Because sometimes I felt like, oh, if you don't do this with your kids, they're gonna do that and that. And maybe no, I don't know, at least it wasn't in my case.
Daria Kral
Yeah, you're right. It's about your own relationship with God. I've seen through STF and also other second gen that did grow up in the church, but didn't have this personal relationship with God. And sure, I helped out a lot of mistakes and have done a lot of stupid things and not good stuff. And I really know the difference between, also just like talking about sexual relationships, what is healthy, what is good, what is unhealthy and what is actually damaging.
Carina
How old were you when you decided to follow this path?
Daria Kral
Whenever we had this kind of moment when I was 22, and I'm now 28. And STF was actually really somehow my birthplace. First, for a while, I was from Cheongpyeong and then I was attending different workshops. But this is where I was really growing my heart. Really just carved to my heart for myself to forgive myself because at first I was really judgmental towards others because I was judging myself so much. Then I was scaring my heart towards myself. And kind of I would have been never ever talking about this kind of stuff before. It was for me to talk to one person like that. I didn't know that I was a second gen or at the stuff. Now, I feel this is a start, maybe someone else can learn from. It doesn't matter really what kind of things you've gone through in your life, there's always a way back. And it doesn't matter how often you were already part of our movement or not. Because there was a time I was kind of on and off. But as I said, it was if there's no clear cut, it's often so hard to have these two phases, double life. But it's so hard on yourself to do that.
Carina
Yes. This is the kind that no one talks a lot about because we feel like, in front of these kinds of people, we should look like this. And in front of these kinds of people, we should look like this. That's definitely what I had experienced. When I was going through that process myself. I didn't talk with my parents. I didn't talk with people from the church. When I went on what was going through, I had a boyfriend back then. I was just talking with people who I knew that would support me. But with people that I know that they will disagree with, I will not tell them the truth because I don't want to disappoint them. I didn't want them to stop loving me, so that double life is really real. It happens with everything. It's going to happen with the relationships, but it can't happen with many other experiences of sexual integrity as well. One thing, for example, I've been thinking about it lately, I myself have been very strong with myself about the process of going through a really bad process. I don't want anyone to go through that story again, or need to go through that process as I went through. Then I realized with help and coaching as well, that if the process helped me to be where I am, I need to help people from the result, isn't it? If that's my story, and it's going to be useful for people, but maybe people will feel going through that process. But everyone, as you say, deserves to have the same result. No matter what your story is, you deserve and you have the possibility to be blessed, to have a family and to have a great relationship as you have with your husband right now.
Daria Kral
You said that it was actually so beautiful. We never can't prevent something from happening. It's sad. It's a process and everybody has to really go through their own process. Sure, it would be great if everybody could keep a certain this kind of being a complete white sheet. But sometimes things happening and then to rescue someone doesn't necessarily help that person. I forgot to say, I'm about to graduate from my coaching school. I'm becoming a Development Coach or a Personal Development Coach. And in coaching, it's this tiniest thing. It's like we, as a coach, I'm supporting the person to empower the person to see the strings they have in them in any way. But often you don't have their perspective, you don't see that you're in this bubble. And through asking questions, I'm supporting the person to see other possibilities. What else possible, than just one focus. It's like, why is this happening? What is this happening? What else is possible? As a coach, I take myself away from the outcome. It doesn't matter for me what the outcome is. It's about the person and that the person is going somewhere with that. It takes some time, because sometimes it's a very fast process and progress. Sometimes it's slow. It's really about the person itself. How fast they grow or how much they want action sometimes to dig deeper or not. Everybody's going their own path.
Carina
Yes. Every step counts. No matter if it's a smooth process or a very hard process, every step is getting you closer to that place you want to be. And that's the important thing for us stopping. Daria, in that story, where did you met High Noon?
Daria Kral
It was I knew High Noon before already through STF, because Sammy's wife came one time to Poland to give a talk. I was there. Then also with STF, we met again, Sammy and his wife in camptown. Then I watched together with my husband at that time when we were still matching the 25 challenges. I think it was in May last year.
Carina
April last year, yeah.
Daria Kral
April. Okay, right. One year ago. We would listen to it together and we were talking about it together. We were separated because of the Corona. So we weren't able to meet each other. But just through, we would call each other at WhatsApp and then here, watch it on Facebook and just talk about it. And that was so nice. So I was struggling that time with porn and masturbation. We talk about that. So he knew, and we were very honest with that. But this whole, with High Noon and watching that, it brought us somehow on a much deeper level about being able to talk about sex or masturbation and porn and its causes. And I would spend reading cards, really wanting to do something about it. Because I always wanted to kind of not have this issue, or even go into the matching process or being blessed. But yes, that didn't work. And the 12th-week program, as a participant, and that was so nice, because we were all so brutally honest, and pretty much honorable. And just like really sharing what was going on. And just really no shows. Whatever difficult situation we went through, just we shared it or it was beautiful, like successes, or it was really beautiful. It was really nice. And so I felt like I gained so much. And I've learned so much. So I wanted to give back. And since then, I'm also a facilitator. Just finished my second group.
Carina
Wow. So being a woman who is struggling with porn masturbation makes you feel, you think it was harder. It was heavier on you or it was something like normal? Do you touch yourself more because you were a woman, and you thought it was the only one or?
Daria Kral
I definitely felt for a long time, I'm the only one especially around second gen. The practice before I was like, that was kind of normal. But around second gen it was like, I'm so dirty. Especially my first year because I did also have before a boyfriend and I did have a relationship. So for me, just to share that, even saying anything about that would be like, that's my death sentence. And so this is something, what I meant before with talking and sharing about myself of my past was so challenging for me because I was judging myself so much. There was so much shame and guilt. And I would say even with shame, I felt like there's something wrong with me as a person. Being a woman, I did not want to share everything. And I had just one sister and I talked with her about that, actually two. There was one I was talking a little bit deeper, but because I was the eldest, one of the oldest in STF, except Deborah, the director and like a later on it felt like I never felt like I could talk to someone about it. I felt I never had this on me. I could share with or talk about it. And I was actually really hard on me in general.
Carina
Yes, it is really a heavy, heavy feeling, myself for example, even if it was a six month of experiencing things outside. It took me like three years to heal that or even it's still in the process of healing that. Because I still, even if it's like I tried to nudge, try to heal myself. I always think about how I hurt so many people. I hurt this and that's really hard to forgive yourself, isn't it. So I understand and as well here I'm the oldest second generation in Uruguay in Blatelis in my country. Yes, I can completely relate with that. So there are other second chances of meat from Japan that they came with their parents as a missionary. But they had like a different perspective, or at least at that time, it was kind of hard to talk with them. But yeah, how was your process of healing that guilty?
Daria Kral
I guess, like in general, it was actually more shame than guilt. But guilt was then when I was acting out. But with shame, I risk going through STF. And my first day, there was so much shame. And then in my second year, I was growing more because I was also taking care of others. And then my third is more, I felt I changed one of those kinds of levels somehow. Getting higher with the rest of my heart. So he was growing a heart towards others, I was growing up to my heart for myself. And I really had this experience that really felt like God accepts and loves me as I am. And I don't need to be ashamed. Sure, it would be great to do something different or do something different but there's no judgment. The judgment comes just from myself. And when I felt this love, then I was okay. And I felt like, when I was for example talking when I was in person with my husband, we shared it when we were acting out. We were really honest. And it was for me at the beginning, it's so hard, it was so difficult. It was so hard for me to be so vulnerable and just being so authentic. But I felt this was a really strong foundation of our relationship. And it was kind of the stepping stone somehow of creating this great relationship we have right now. Because now we can just start reading about everything. And we are not scared of hurting each other because it's just too much, and it's unavoidable. We really watch our language of how we say things. And then also say it as quickly as possible. Because if you hide things, maybe you don't see it, so you don't lie. But without saying it, when it comes out that it is still hurtful. And so when you say it earlier, sure it hurts and it's maybe uncomfortable, but it's like, dishonesty is so much worse.
Carina
Yeah, I guess talking about it and really like sharing with us, especially with your matching process and your matching the time now with your husband or the person closest to you. It really takes out the shame of it. When you just leave it in your mind, you feel like it is bigger than it is. Although it's a big deal, it becomes bigger and bigger, it just grows inside of you. But when you share it, it just goes away. And I, personally, for example the matching process, we will try to communicate as well every time. And the matching process is hard because you have these feelings that you want to love the person but you cannot, it's not the right time. And you have all the hormones, like running away. And you have all that sexual energy building up and the more longer the matching process, the harder it is. But we definitely have a system of sharing with each other when I act out or something. We try to keep it, of course, serious but as light as possible. So it becomes precious, it becomes more and more enjoyable. And as you say really opens the door of more intimate conversation for the future, foundation for the future. How's it been your life as a wife so far, how does it feel?
Daria Kral
It's getting better, I feel. Because like at the beginning, so two weeks after we got bless, I was more or less escaping Paul because I was scared that they're going to close with all worries again. It was like I packed everything two days later I left, more or less. And so we were still in the separation time. And that was really tough. That was really a challenge, but it was also a beautiful time to act out. Because it was really this intense attraction towards each other but still kind of okay, it's not the time yet. And at the beginning is for me kind of a challenge because I felt like after we had the first time our sexual relationship, it was for me, I did have a sexual relationship before and then I felt somehow this scar was reopened somehow. And so I felt there's still something that I need to deal with. So I shared that with him. We needed to give each other time and to get used to the new situation and it took time, I would say, to get us used to each other in a different way, but I feel like now is really beautiful, now it's just been nice.
Carina
I think it is always hard at the beginning. You know what it was, it's your experience. I think I feel like no matter what your story, once you get blessed, you're starting from zero.
Daria Kral
I wish in our room, you never touch, you never look, you don't, I mean, sure, most of us probably will have kind of a sexual attraction to someone. But still there is this thing of you shouldn't do certain things. And then from zero to 100, you should have sex and you don't come to. It's really challenging that we talk and instead we take our time to know each other and to figure out what we like and what we don't like. And what was really helping was also like this emotional intimacy with each other to really be connected. And for example, when there was something going on, not talk issues or something unresolved, then we would actually stop and talk about it and continue and what's good. Or now, often we tried to do it before. In general, having a good conversation before, really being connected. And then like the whole process is just so much more beautiful and nicer. And how was it for you?
Carina
It took us several weeks to be able to do it. I was, we were so hard on us that we're not doing it. And now when we try it, it's so impossible to do it. I thought there was something we wanted. But yes, slowly, and definitely wasn't so great at the beginning but slowly your body just gets used to. We were trying to get slow. So I didn't want my first time to be a traumatic time. So I'm not going to share too many details because it's just open. We went through the process, the ones that I have experienced will just come to me. But now definitely is like another level and I just feel like we're just touching the fundamentals. Like I have hope that it's gonna get better and better and better with the things, when time goes by. So I don't know how because it's really good. But sometimes I feel guilt, the shame, or some part of my story that sometimes as well, it stops me. When I become like I didn't have masturbation problems myself. I call it self-stimulation because it wasn't completely masturbation. Self-stimulation is masturbation either way. And it was a habit that I have had since I was very young, I don't know how it even happened, but I just ended up knowing that it does exist. I didn't know the name. But I knew that it can happen. In the end, sometimes, I want to have the same feeling or I want to experience that. And then I go like. So for example, in the moment in having a common sexual relationship in the process, sometimes that comes up and I feel it is good but I feel like that aspect, it did have a negative aspect, negative result on me. But I'm pretty sure it's going to go over at some point because there's a sexual relationship with your husband in some way better of that feeling that you can have just yourself, that for sure. But yes, sometimes I need to let my body know that we are not looking for my own pleasure. And of course, I can work on that. But sometimes, once every six months or something like that comes up and you feel that that is still there. But I'm still not sure if it's just the shame of it or that makes me feel that way or it's just a natural reaction on my body or is actually like some negative effect of that habit. So I'm still figuring that out. But their sexual relationship, it is good, but it has their ups and downs as well, like we were in the learning process. You work on your sexual integrity before the blessings for sure. I think like there were many things that had already been resolved. But how are you dealing with the things that are still unresolved?
Daria Kral
Since we started our sexual relationship, I've never acted out actually or have watched porn. But I know, definitely there is the desire. So during the time when we were into separation time, I did still act out and was watching porn. The sexual tension was there but we wouldn't do anything really intense. So I kind of want to have a release with someone else and with them. But what I see the difference is somehow the feeling comes that I want to act out or have the desire for watching something because when we're disconnected. When I feel I'm not aligned with myself somehow and I'm so stressed, that would be a quick fix. Often, I felt for myself that porn or masturbation was a quick fix for when I was kind of a little bit of depressed or not depressed, kind of frustrated. Frustration is a better word. Frustration or kind of down. So many things on my mind that I pretty didn't really know what to do anymore. And I feel now when there is something that I really talked with my husband about, or I took us really deep with my sister, we are very good accountability partners for different things. To talk about it and have to let it out, It's really helpful to steam, let the steam out through a talkative way. I guess it's especially for a woman, with a woman like to talk about emotions, what's going on. That is really helping, I feel. And how did they, as a facilitator, also share what's going on with myself and that was also always nice to do. Having a connection with someone else. With my husband, I don't want to do it just with my husband, I want to do it as a friend or like with my sister.
Carina
Yes, that's a really great point. When we are well yourself, we are just, we want to give to the other person and we're not thinking about just ourselves. Then that goes with the small things we do in our daily life on checking if we are connecting with people, checking if we are working on our habits for not being so stressed and all that. It is important for our sexual integrity, but our whole being as a person. So a great point and a great reminder for myself as well.
Daria Kral
This drive to want porn or masturbation is often actually the one of the causes not having this connection belonging to other people. Because, for example, my family was normal to hug and we're a very huggable family. But still, there's also just kind of not just hugging, but also like this safety net. And I felt, this is actually also a big thing between us, between me and my husband is there's a lot of trust, feeling of being safe, talking about anything. And that's just being one side really deep, but also being just like being able to be ourselves without judgment. And I feel like sometimes we grew up in a family where there's a certain amount of acceptance to certain things, but then there's also judgments to a lot of things. Feeling I was like I'm not exactly as I am. For example, one time I shared to my mom that I was struggling with that. And I felt really liberated. Then another time she was asking, okay, how are you doing with that? And I was, yes, I'm actually still struggling with it sometimes. And then she was, oh, no, you shouldn't do that. She kind of lectured me. And I was okay. Now I don't feel safe anymore to talk to you about it. Even saying that later on, it's likeI understand you, that you share that because you feel like you're right. That I should actually have healthy and unhealthy habits. But how you talk to me it sets me up, makes me feel unsafe. This kind of judgment and stuff, it's not really hard to actually share about it. What I feel it's so different in the relationship between me and my husband as there's no judgment. And sure, when you get hurt doesn't mean that I judge you. I felt just hurt by an action. But just like we're sharing it, it's like you take responsibility for what you've done, because you share it and they take responsibility for it.
Carina
Really incredible point for every parent that is listening or if you have someone who is struggling and they decided to open up to you. Every time that you lecture them or judge them, kind of feels like judgment, it just stops that safeness. You feel, oh, I can go on and share with this person about it. Because definitely you knew that it wasn't helping you. That it wasn't a great habit, but it is not easy to stop that. How long have you had that habit, porn masturbation? Probably a very long time.
Daria Kral
Yes. I mean, there was always kind of an on and off. I think I came to porn like much earlier, like kind of pictures early on. But when I figured out that this actually is possible, I was 19.
Carina
Now, you're 28. Like nine years of on and off of course, but it's a habit that gets really stuck on you. That's not that easy to get rid of. That's why I noticed given courses and groups and so many tools because we know that once this occurs and gets impregnated to one's mind, it's not that easy to just get free of it just for desire and will power. Yes. I think definitely when we are judging things seems like it's so hard to live. We feel unsafe, as you say to share. So yes, really great point.
Daria Kral
What could help for example, in this situation. I guess it's really difficult for a parent to do that. But for the sake of the child or even there's someone listening who is a mentor or like a pastor or something in some ways, coming with this issue, be more of a coaching approach by supporting, like, okay, I hear you, what would you like to change? How would you like to deal with the situation now? "There's one way to share it, and you have to have a big stuff of things to share, but thank you for your courage. What would you do with this? What would you like to do after that? What are the next steps?" Instead of pushing or that the other person still came to share still takes ownership and takes responsibility for their own path, feeling. And just telling, lecturing, what you have to do or not do makes the other person just feel not very good as I knew why I was feeling guilt or shame, like showing me why I was so ashamed about it and why I actually shouldn't talk about it to anybody else. Yes. And I guess that the more you share, though, the less you're expected for people's response. You just share it because you're free from it. Yes.
Carina
Right now if you share it with someone and begin on responding the way you were expecting, you know that you have people in your life that will respond well. It doesn't touch you as much as it affects you as much as well. Once you start to get rid of the shame and of those shadows through the group, through people who can understand you, people who can support you in this.
Daria Kral
And the thing is also, because I felt like in the beginning, I didn't have anybody who was agreeing with me. I was like, or not agreeing or kind of supporting me. But then later, I was, okay I'm not sure what there is beneath. I felt at least for me, it was I was able to see that when I have more confidence later on. Feeling of I'm okay, is when people react negatively or kind of are being judgy. It's like, okay, that's their piece of cake. This is something they have a problem with. Because whatever, but does that mean that I am less worthy because of their judgments. I'll finish this like, maybe sometimes, there's something triggered for that person. Maybe you can figure out what's going on, but not necessarily important to do that. That's their piece of cake. They can deal with that. But I go through my own story and my own past. And if that person is not able to accept that, but it's hard, it's really hard to see that way.
Carina
No, it is hard but once you have a support team, it becomes less important for you as well. So Daria, what's one advice you will share to a woman. For example, to yourself when you were 19 years old. What advice will you tell yourself when you are 19 years old, if they will have a 19 year old sister right now, what advice will you share to them?
Daria Kral
It would not just be two and what 19 year old sister just to anyone who is just challenged with this topic. First of all High Noon, of course. Because for me, I mean, I share with my mom, but it wasn't as powerful as I thought it would be. And that's okay. I don't judge my mom for that. Maybe other parents are more reciprocative for that, maybe dealing with it in a different way. Definitely give it a try to give it a shot. But definitely like High Noon, I felt like there was really great support of really getting there. At the beginning it was really kind of difficult. But I felt like okay, there are so many other sisters who are going through the same thing. And it is a start and this is something. I feel like I'm sorry that it took for me so long to get that start. But I'm still happy that I did because I feel so much different from where I was from one year than where I am right now. So I feel like there's no judgment. So it's easier to do that. And okay, it's maybe that good. For example, there's a drug addiction or you're alcoholic, you're going to the AA or you go to somewhere else to get sober but in the same group. Because you're going through a similar situation. The thing is like here in High Noon, you struggle with porn and masturbation and you go to a group or like the course or you have an accountability partner.
Carina
Wow. And it will help you not just like porn and masturbation, but if you have something in your life that you're ashamed of and you want to really put light on it. It really helps you to just have a supporting group that will give you that grace, that will give you that support and it's gonna clean that aspect. It is important so yes, there is really, if you still have time, sign up for High Noon. We have a group for mothers, a group for wives, a group for singles. So whatever it is your need, just be clear. And this support group can help to get to your goals. I'm so happy we have this talk. Thank you, Daria. We were able to meet each other and know your story. You are really a great person and you went through a lot. But you're here now, in the point of like helping others and creating your own beautiful family. So congratulations.
Daria Kral
Thank you for your hard work for High Noon and sharing your own story and somehow living for High Noon.
Carina
Thank you. So see you in the next episode. Bye-bye.
Andrew Love
Hello everybody, Andrew Love here. And I just wanted to add one more point. High Noon is a nonprofit organization and we are run by donations. And although, we've been doing okay, thanks to the massive generosity of our founders, the Wolfenberger's. We want to expand higher, higher, higher, higher. We want to make a global impact. We want to reach every family. We want to change the culture. And for that to happen, we're going to need a lot of volunteers and a lot of staff. That's just the reality. It takes money to travel, it takes money to do a lot of the things we do. And we want to let you be a part of this growth. And so what we've created is a donor's club, which is a $10 a month club. And when you join, you get a t-shirt, mailed to your door. You can get some exclusive content. We also have some really good goodies for our tribe of people who are part of the donor's club.That we're going to talk about in the coming months. So I just wanted to invite you to be one of these people. Everybody can afford $10 a month. It's just a matter of whether it's a priority. So if you feel High Noon has impacted you positively or your family or somebody you know, please consider donating. I don't want you to give any money unless you really, really want to. But if you do want to, I encourage you to really, really donate. So $10 a month is, I don't know, a cat a month. I don't know how to measure it. It's a giant hamburger and french fries a month that you can sacrifice in order to help this world become a more habitable, more enjoyable, more connected, more loving place. So please consider joining our donor's club. It's just $10 a month. We look forward to seeing you on the inside of our secret society for donors. Have a good day everybody.